Condon to keep salary at $100K for 2012
Spokane Mayor David Condon says he won’t request the full salary he’s entitled to this year.
February 3, 2012 - Updated: 1:30 a.m.
Spokane Mayor David Condon will hold his salary at $100,000 this year as promised, despite the recent controversy over his predecessor’s pay.
But he said he will review his options and the city’s legal opinions and may take more next year.
“I am not increasing my salary this year. It’s already in the budget,” Condon said in an interview last week. “We’re not going to make any emergency ordinances to change my salary.”
In his campaign for mayor last year, Condon agreed to accept whatever Mayor Mary Verner budgeted for the mayor’s salary in his first year in office. He made no further pledge to hold down his pay.
The Spokane City Charter says that the mayor’s pay must be at least equal to that of the highest paid city employee, not including the city administrator. The highest-paid worker is usually the police or fire chief, who earn about $170,000.
Each mayor since Jim West in 2005 has declined a portion of his or her pay. Mary Verner capped her salary at $100,000 apparently against the advice of the city attorney’s office. In her last week in office she requested back pay for what she declined in her last two years. The city denied that request.
Condon said the mayor’s pay has become “pingpong” and a “political animal.”
“There’s a bigger question that I want to answer, which is, ‘What is a fair wage for public service?’ ” he said.
Former City Councilman Steve Eugster, who sponsored the 1999 ballot initiative that changed Spokane’s government to the strong mayor system and created the rules for the mayor’s pay, said declining pay takes away from the intent of the Charter.
“He or she is the top leader in the community,” Eugster said. “That person needs to be worth that much money.”
In a strong mayor system, the mayor is in charge of the administration and has some veto power over the council. Previously, the city’s mayor was a member of the City Council and the city was run by an administrator hired by the council.
Condon said he has declined to participate in the city’s pension plan.
For a city that hasn’t re-elected a mayor in four decades, that may not be a bad decision because Condon would need to work at the city five years to earn a pension – meaning he would need to be re-elected.
But Condon said he doesn’t plan to join the pension plan even if he would win a second term.
“I value portability and individuality. I’d rather have a 401(k),” Condon said. “I think a younger workforce likes the idea of portability. I don’t see myself spending my entire career at the city.”
In a 401(k) plan, a worker contributes to a fund for retirement and has some control over how the money is invested. The worker is responsible for losses in the plan. In a pension plan, the employer is responsible for investing and covering losses.
Condon’s decision means that the 7.75 percent of his salary that he would normally contribute to the plan will instead stay in his paycheck. He joins only Councilman Steve Salvatori as elected leaders who have declined to participate in the retirement plan. Salvatori said this week that he declined in part because at this point he doesn’t plan to run for a second term.
All city workers who aren’t police officers or firefighters are members of the Spokane Employees Retirement System. Retirement Director Leo Griffin said elected officials are the only workers who can opt out. He said those who opt out can join at a later date if they pay in what they would have contributed, plus interest.
Former City Council President Joe Shogan, for instance, opted out of the pension plan during his first term. Soon after winning a second term, he paid the city $8,622 to make up for four years of payments, plus interest, to join and get credit for his first four years. He left the city at the end of last year with a monthly pension of $622.
Those who lose second terms, such as Councilman Richard Rush, can withdraw their contributions, plus interest, at any time. If they later win a new term, they can get credit for the four years.
Former City Councilman Steve Corker, for instance, served one term on the City Council and lost re-election. He withdrew $5,806 – what he contributed to the plan plus interest in 2004. After winning a new term in 2007, he re-entered the pension plan after paying $7,179 (what he withdrew originally, plus interest). His monthly pension is $365.
Former City Councilman Al French served two terms, but because he later got a job with Spokane County as an elected county commissioner, which is part of the state’s retirement system, French’s city pension will be calculated based on his much-higher county salary. He’ll also be eligible for his county pension through the state.
Spokane’s retirement plan had about 89 percent of the money it needed to cover its obligations until the market crashed a few years ago. It currently has about 72 percent of the money needed to meet its obligations. Griffin said that’s probably about average or slightly less than average compared with other government pension plans.
City workers contribute 7.75 percent of their pay for pension. The city contributes an equal amount.
Calculating
city pensions
Spokane’s basic pension formula for workers hired before 2009 is:
(The largest two years of pay / 24 months) X 2.15 percent X years of service = monthly pension
So, an employee who works for 10 years and earned $100,000 in his or her final two years would earn a pension of $1,792 a month based on this calculation:
(($100,000 X 2) / 24) X 2.15 percent X 10 years = $1,792
Other formulas can be chosen based on length of service and survivor benefits.
MOBILE
Sounds like he is going to try and take the full salary next year, but then he did work for Cathy McMoRo and she probably taught him pretty well how to become a millionaire while in political office.
It sounds like that to WHOM Libby? And what’s this got to do with Cathy McMorris?
All city employees deserve a 401k plan…..like the peeps have that pay their pensions. But they are better than us…so they get the gold plan.
Mary Verner regrets that she didn’t take her full salary.
Based on the fallout of her salary fiasco, I bet she regrets that people look at her as a person who fails to keep their word.
McMorris has everything to do with Condon. He learned everything about politics from her - resume embellishing, money laundering, negative campaigning and yes, how to milk his government job for everything it’s worth financially. He gets credit for being a very good student, though.
As I understand it, Condon said he would limit his salery for one year and that is what he is doing. Sounds pretty straightforward.
Why would you expect him to lower his salary for the other years and then ask for it back?
Sks519:
And of course, you have proof of what you say. Otherwise, it would be libel/slander, and if someone so desired, could use the court system to track you down and sue you. After all, money laundering IS illegal, and if known would have been dealt with.
I for one have not seen this, so please provide your links to Cathy McMorris-Rogers’ court docket for her money laundering case.
LIRWL-
Does the elephant have oops on it because it just pooped on a donkey?
That guy is a political genius.
Maybe we should just give Condon a chance.
Stop your belly ‘aken’. If after 4 years people don’t like him, like Verner, you can get rid of him.
Severe thing to say sks.. Let’s see what SR thinks about that. Meanwhile, he’s done a very good job in his few months.
Dazzeed one, did you read the article? By actually reading the article is were I got it sounds like he will only take a pay cut for year….reading….you should try it sometime, its amazing all the new things you learn by reading.
Also, he’s done a good job? Seriously? For one, you don’t even live anywhere near Spokane so you have no idea how good he is doing. And in the ONE month he has been in office (so you don’t even know how long he has been in office either), you think he has done a good job on what exactly? Replacing our corrupt police chief with in intern Chief who has been a part of the corrupt police department for over 20 year? Would it be sticking to his favorite campaign promise to fire everyones favorite city attorney Rocky Treppiedi? Oh, wait, he’s still employed by the city. Or maybe it was his AWESOME response to our only snow storm this year that failed to get the snow plows out on the road until after the snow was done? Yes, he’s had a FANTASTIC first month.
nslopeofw, nope, my republican elephant has oops on it because like every republican he’s been pooping on the poor and middle class of the country.
I bet he had to ask his committee for the answer…he’s so far over his head its funny…
As far as I am concerned, he should take the full salary. That is what the position pays and the salary is publicly known. Especially since he has to deal with so much political BS and so many in the community with little to no respect - just read these blogs. I didn’t vote for him, but give him a chance.
Liberal-in-self-delusion-land:…..You’re so biased you sound like a 10 year old whining about not getting their way. Why shouldn’t the Mayor get his full salary? He’s keeping his word, a practice most libs aren’t faiiliar with. If he was a left-wing wacko like our Governor and President, he’d probably be looking for a pay increase above the $170,000 he’s entitled to.
You’re too quick to judge and condemn. It makes you a poster child for “liberals” everywhere
ah the bitterness and hatred from the “tolerant left”, so appealing and beneficial in moving this country forward. you do provide good theater though
In all fairness it is hard to have respect for someone who doesn’t keep his campaign promises. His first meeting was done in secrecy, even though he touted transperancy, he didn’t fire Treppedi….how many other things, time will tell. As far as giving him a chance we don’t have much of a choice at this time.
Bitterness and hatred…..just doing THE EXCACT SAME THING as what you idiots on the right do. Hypocrites, go look back at your own comments regarding Verner, go back and look at what you righties say about Obama or any democrat ever. Look at what loveliness you righties say in the same message when you are trying to call us out for being “mean”. Its ok for you do it, but when we on the left give it back to you its bitterness and hatred.
Pot, meet kettle.
davidbrayabc @February03 at 11:18am,
Did George Nethercutt keep his word or just change his mind? Also did he change to the left side? Just curious since you brought up the Governor and President.
Sure, lib, but real men don’t mimic bad behavior.
if you didn’t vote for him and nothing he does will make you happy, then he doesn’t care what you think
amazing how so many in the land on both sides of the fence jump to what liberal has spewed yet have never take the time to provide constructive comments. Goes hand in hand that the same people, again on both side of the fence, have no clue what they’re talking about, they just continue to spew hate and don’t contribute one ounce to moving the country forward. Very sad and even the good theater runs its course eventually
I like that I sound delusional for pointing out what the Mayor has failed to do.
Sorry, did he not appoint a 20 year veteran of the corrupt Spokane Police Department that so many on here - republican and democrat - dislike as intern Chief?
Sorry has he not failed on his campaign promise to fire Rocky Treppiedi as soon as he was sworn in?
Sorry, were the snow plows NOT out and the roads and hills NOT cleared in time for the commute home during the snowstorm? (Yet, I drove from CDA that day and CDA with more snow was plowed better and the freeway with state crews were clearing the freeway better) Did he not wait to call an all city plow until after 10 inches of snow had fallen?
Sorry has he had any public meetings that we have been able to go and see how he is governing and how he is making decisions like he promised in his campaign? No.
Yes, I am sorry, if pointing out his failings after just one month makes me delusional…..then so be it, I guess I am delusional then.
A republican living on only a hundred thousand a year, say it isn’t so. Why that is almost as bad as a democratic voter who makes thirty thousand a year. Give me a minute and I will post the address of the food bank, and the number for snap. How can we let such a travesty happen, what about his kids, how will they survive private school without a chauffer. What a joke!!!
LIRWL-
You are right, of course. We non-liberals have been trying to get Obama to admit the last 3+ years of crap have been his. You (and your liberal friends) have continued to blame anyone but Obama for what has happened in the last 3 years. I wonder if you will afford Condon the same? Will you blame Verner for everything bad that happens in the next three years, all the while giving him full credit for anything good? Or, will Condon be attacked right from the start? Will he be bad before he can ever prove otherwise?
And, as a lifetime working member of the middle class, the only time’s i’ve ever felt like i was getting pooped on were when #1. Clinton raised my taxes, #2. When Obama decided i needed to pay a large amount of money to enact Obamacare so people who refuse to work still get health care, and #3. When Obama saddled me and my kids with $15 trillion in debt (from the $10 trillion that was there when he took office) , and has just raised the debt limit to $16.5 trillion
Then, I felt real good when Bush lowered my taxes after Clinton stole from me for 8 years. And, I do appreciate that Obama (with a lot of help from congress) continues to keep the BUSH tax cuts in place so i get to keep more of the money I earn.
Smart guy-
Or, almost as bad as the democrat voter who doesn’t work, but eats good, gets his rent lowered or out and out paid for, free health care, utilities paid for, little plastic cards that fit nicely and are excepted at all the local casino’s, pays no income tax (even though the IRS considers all income and goods and services taxable) etc, while the $100,000 a year republican pays for all of this with a huge tax rate.
You are right, he should feel bad for having a job, paying lots of tax, and supporting all the no works. What right does he have making more money than the poor democrat who just wants to be left alone so he can watch his flat screen tv all day, while eating his cheetos paid for with food stamps. It just isnt fair!!
I gave Verner a chance I just didn’t like what she did.
nslopeofw on February 03 at 12:32 p.m.
Then, I felt real good when Bush lowered my taxes after Clinton stole from me for 8 years.
You realize that Clinton was able to get the country’s finances in order and actually balance the budget, right?
I’m glad you feel good, since the Bush tax cuts created the financial mess the country faces today. This is the “debt you are saddled with”. You do understand there is a direct relationship, yes? You do understand that Bush, Reagan etc dramatically increased spending and the size of government right?
So Slope, are you like a comedian like soccermomsusie?
WillyPeter on February 03 at 11:51 a.m.
Sure, lib, but real men don’t mimic bad behavior
Good point WIlly…Libby doesn’t qualify though.
So Willy and Dazzedone, you are both admitting that your side engages in bad behavior?
Guess that means no republicans are real men since you’re admitting they engage in bad behavior.
back to the original point
Just because Verner chose to drop her pay
and Condon promised to drop his for i year,
why is he wrong?
He’s not wrong. It’s his choice. Let’s not be getting flumoxed over this articel. It’s strightforward. I think Libby missed the point ….as usual. Teens often do.
Of course, I don’t agree with you so I am teenager.
“I am not increasing my salary this year. It’s already in the budget,” Condon said in an interview last week. “We’re not going to make any emergency ordinances to change my salary.”
Did everyone miss this?
The 2012 minimum wage that the republicans constantly complain about is now $9.04 for a total of $ 17,356.80 I am pretty sure Mr. Condon will survive one year at $100,000.This is just a publicity stunt anyway.
JC-
You realize of course, the dot.com boom made our economy the best it had ever been, don’t you? You also understand that when the dot.com bubble burst, it wrecked our financial situation, something most respected economists agree on.
So, lets review our recent US history:
Clinton-
Boom economy, raised taxes (the only time if ever to raise taxes). Failed to react properly on first world trade center bombing, hence no war, no solution for terrorist situation, allowing said terrorists to attack another time. Is young, sexy, saxophone playing, rock-n-roll president who makes cheating on ones spouse “cool”. Lies under oath. “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” Redefines what “having sex” means. Has impeachment proceedings started against him. Skates.
Bush-
Dot.com bust, economy falls, does not blame Clinton. Lowers taxes for everyone, especially the poor (best time to do so for all citizens), terrorists attack and murder 3000+ US citizens. Still does not blame Clinton. Bush responds by taking war to them as opposed to doing a few missiles (like Clinton) thereby making US citizens more safe, but embroiled in costly wars which drags economy down. Does not blame Clinton. Enacts Troubled Asset Relief Program on his way out.
Obama-
Inherits crappy economy. Blames Bush. Adds to TARP. Has majority in both the house and senate. Unemployment goes to 10%+ . Fails to do anything to help economy. Blames Bush. Loses majority in congress, blames anyone but himself. Against the majority of the citizens rams Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act down our throats (without anyone knowing what is in it) Economy get worse, blames Bush. Fails to get cap and trade, thereby saving the economy another hit it cant take. Blames Bush. Tries to raise taxes and is blocked by republicans.
Will continue to blame Bush until his one term is up, and manipulate data to try and make economy look like its getting better.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/record-12-million-people-fall-out-labor-force-one-month-labor-force-participation-rate-tumbles-
nslopeofw on February 03 at 3:09 p.m.
JC-
So, lets review our recent US history:
Slope, I would prefer to review actual history not just your rambling mess of ….words. I know, the actual facts and data tend to disagree with everything you think or believe in; but that’s ok man. That is what being a Republican is all about. Just keep repeating and it becomes real…right ? Tax cuts create jobs…right? Republicans shrink the government…right?
Heh. You crack me up man.
“Bush responds by taking war to them”
And I’m sorry, I can’t let that one go by. No one can possibly defend the greatest blunder in modern times. The invasion of Iraq was based on lies, cost thousands of precious American lives and untold Iraqi innocents. This is the Bush legacy, and it we are still watching it unfold. You need to slap the stupid out of yourself for making such a statement. Do you not see the irony that you are still angry at Bill Clinton for lying about a hummer vs. the destruction caused by the ignorance of GW Bush?
JC-
PLEEEEEEEEEAAAASE, oh mighty one, show me where i’m wrong. Link me to the wisdom needed to escape this hell i live in. Show me what is wrong, and then explain the right. I looked most of this stuff up before i put it in my post, but who knows, i might be dyslexic. So, here is your chance to shine for your liberal-peers. Prove me wrong. If you dont, then we will all know everything i wrote is true. Ignoring it, hoping it will go away isnt going to work this time (not that it ever has)
Your routine, and lame “i’ll not answer this drivel” answer will not work this time. Either answer, or (by not answering) admit I’m right.
A job is a job, who wouldn’t want to get paid as much as they are entitled to under that job?
I’d have no qualms with him taking the $170k next year.
It is interesting, that the 2012 budget was apparently written, with only $100,000 allotted for the position of mayor. Everyone should applaud Mayor Condon for his sacrifice, even if it is only to avoid bad publicity. Was the 2012 budget written assuming Mary Verner was going to win, or were they setting up our new mayor, for embarrassment, with this oversight. Most likely, it is simply incompetence, forgetting to adjust the number, but perhaps it was inspiration. Obviously, our mayor is drastically overpaid, if he can just shrug off, a forty percent decrease. Almost everyone, republicans, and democrats alike, can agree our government spends too much, and needs to cut back on expenses. Cutting the Mayor’s salary by almost forty percent, could be a great start. What if we cut the entire city government salaries by forty percent. We might even try it nationally, congress could probably get by on sixty percent of what they currently make, if Mayor Condon can, and we could apply the money to balancing the budget. Thank you Mayor Condon for pointing out how overpaid members of congress like Cathy McMorris are, I am sure she will appreciate it
nslopeofw on February 03 at 3:57 p.m.
Ok, I admit you are right. I can’t make a response to a post without facts. You win.
It’s kind of funny and sad when fools argue.
Ashree-
Yeah, we are fools, JC and me. But what so what? Just a couple of old dudes, passionate in our beliefs. Passion is what life is about. There are different kinds of passion. One thing is for sure, we care about our country, and want to make it a better place. One thing we dont do is judge someone just because we dont contribute to the conversation ourselves, but feel a need to be seen. Perhaps you should think about that before you spout off next time. I can guarantee you one thing, JC does care, and does make good points. Not necessarily points i agree with, but he can say the same about me. We just sometimes (maybe most of the time) get a bit too passionate while debating (and debasing) each other while making our points. So, what is your worthless point? No passion? Dont like it? Quit reading. No one is forcing you.
nslopeofw, I usually find your posts intelligent and thought-provoking — as opposed to Dazzee’s Ann Coulter-ish frothing, so your latest stuff is really starting to disappoint me.
Let me take on just a few from today:
You:
“Bush-
Dot.com bust, economy falls, does not blame Clinton.”
I know the dot.com industry hired and fired a lot of people for a while, but Bush was president for eight years, yet the workforce only grew by 1 percent (http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2010/10/us_job_growth_and_loss_under_p.html) — worse than his father (who only grew it by 2 percent over four years, and Ford, who only grew it 3 percent in 2 1/2 years. You can’t blame all that on one sector of the economy.
You:
“Lowers taxes for everyone, especially the poor
Yeah, because that’s who he was trying to help. (snort) Have you already forgotten his “This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores. “Some people call you the elites; I call you my base.”
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn4daYJzyls) quip, or do you consciously choose to ignor it?
You:
“terrorists attack and murder 3000+ US citizens. Still does not blame Clinton.”
Yeah, that would be bad — blaming the previous guy for an attack that took place EIGHT MONTHS after you took office, and 36 DAYS after receiving a briefing titled “Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US”.
You:
“… Enacts Troubled Asset Relief Program on his way out.”
Eventually. The first proposal by his Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulson (formerly of Goldman Sachs — talk about the fox in charge of the henhouse!) was only three pages long and roundly derided. Even Paulson’s amended version was so full of holes that billions were given out and unaccounted for. It wasn’t until Obama’s Treasury Secretary, Tim Geithner, put some teeth into the second half of the $700 billion bailout that the taxpayers saw some real accountability.
You:
“Obama-
Inherits crappy economy. Blames Bush.”
Well, that’s the guy he got it from, isn’t it?
“Adds to TARP.”
No, he just spent the second half — well, most of it anyway. And thanks to the safeguards, nearly all of it was paid back.
“Has majority in both the house and senate.”
Yeah, but the Republicans in the Senate dug in their heels, so that nothing could get done. I suggest you check out this article: (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/the-rise-of-cloture-how-gop-filibuster-threats-have-changed-the-senate.php)
“Unemployment goes to 10%+”
The highest unemployment rate — 10.9% — occurred in February 2009, weeks after Obama was sworn in. And it hasn’t been above 10% since March 2009, and it’s been steadily falling ever since. Bush’s low point was 4.2% in October 2007, and, with a few exceptions, rose every month thereafter, to 10.5% in January 2010. (https://fortress.wa.gov/esd/lmea/countydashboard/URateDetails.aspx?area=53_01_000000)
(to be continued)
(continued)
“Fails to do anything to help economy.”
Except for the stimulus package — one-third of which was tax cuts (the only thing Republicans have ever proposed, besides gutting the EPA and any consumer protection regulations). I invite you, as I have every other Obama-basher for the last year, to check out where the money went (http://projects.nytimes.com/44th_president/stimulus) and tell me which parts you think were wasteful.
“Blames Bush.”
Does not. His supporters do, though, so I’ll give you a half-point credit on this one.
“Loses majority in congress, blames anyone but himself.”
At the risk of sounding dismissive: Blah, blah, blah. Name me one politician who has ever taken responsibility for failure? I’m reminded of the time your sainted Dubya couldn’t think of anything his administration had done wrong, when asked several years into his presidency.
(Health care “rammed down our throats” rant snipped; I for one wish it had been the single-payer promise that would have cut out the for-profit-only insurance middlemen.) I’m starting to reach Hawken proportions in this posting, so I’ll just cut to the last one:
“Tries to raise taxes and is blocked by republicans.”
No, he tried to let a portion of the Bush tax cuts expire as originally promised by Republicans — the portion imposed upon those who’d actually gained income over the previous eight years — while leaving them intact for the vast majority whose income stagnated or, more typically, declined over the same period.
Well, golly. I guess you figured me out. I’m a fraud.
The beginning point was when LIRWL and other liberals on this site were slamming Condon, 1 month after being sworn in, yet, they have given Obama a 3 year pass.
My point was that Obama cant seem to take any credit for 3 years of a truly bad economy except on rare occasions when the news is good. He has blamed Bush, but his words are always “the previous administration”, so technically you are right.
Clinton did have (having done nothing for it to happen) the perfect economy, so he could not fail. And, he did lie under oath, had impeachment papers filed on his azz, cheated on his wife, and the liberals all thought is was no big deal. AND, I DID HATE IT when he ripped me off for 8 years and made me pay 28% because i was just starting out and didnt have massive write offs.
I DID LOVE IT when Bush gave me a big tax cut, too. I was pissed off when we were attacked, and felt pride when we kicked the Taliban’s butts. We all know (although some try and forget) that Bush and Congress were given bad data on WMD, and so with congress’ blessing, we went to war in Iraq after Saddam gave the UN inspectors the finger.
So i did acknowledge the two wars drug our economy down to the pits. I also acknowledged that Bush made me (and a lot of other people) feel safer by sending the best military in the world over to kick terrorist butt!
I never said anything about Bush being a great prez, but i did acknowledge Obama doesnt take any credit for a crappy economy which he has had a hand in for the last 3 years. I also didnt say, but do feel that Obama looks weak to other countries. Just look at today’s news about the threat Iran is saying about releasing some letter O sent them which apparently is a bit embarrassing for the big O.
If one believes Obama’s ill’s are all because of Bush, then one must also believe Bush one gave Clinton what he got for the first term. I dont hear a lot of that claim.
You may wish for Obamacare, but 75% of the people in the US still dont like Obamacare.
So, i dont know what else to say but hey, i guess i’m wrong. Sorry i disappointed you.
Wow 56, owe you a beer. I guess I just get tired of typing the same things over and over. Although I appreciate slope’s passion and sense of humor, I just don’t see a way to change people’s beliefs when they will not accept facts. You can reduce any administration to statistics and get a pretty clear picture.
The stunning thing to me is how a person refuses to accept the connection between the massive Republican tax cuts, increased spending and the debt. Basically if you don’t understand something so simple you are a complete tool.
There is that tool word again. I guess i’m a tool, because if all you are saying is true, then clinton’s success was a direct result of everything Bush one did including raising taxes. If Obama is not at fault, and its all Bush, then the same applies to all presidents in their first term. The prez before is really the one to blame, or thank.
You guys all need to get a room. From what I’ve seen of Spokane mayors $100,000 is WAY too much money for them to be making for the job they don’t do. As for “libby” I agree with you. That last snow plow thing was ridiculous. People were getting suck half way up Ray because the plows didn’t come out to actually plow until around 4:00. I know this because I went down in the morning and almost got stuck behind someone who couldn’t get up the hill in the afternoon.
nslopeofw, I don’t think you’re a fraud. I’ve loved your work ever since “The Station Agent.” ;-)
But I think you let your hyperbole run ahead of your wisdom every now and then, and it seems as though that’s been happening more and more lately.
As far as I can tell, EVERY president except Dubya has raised taxes at one time or another during his administration (Reagan’s was the largest peacetime hike in history), so I don’t think you should be especially harsh on Democrats.
If two unfunded wars, along with unfunded Medicare drug benefits and precipitous tax cuts, are responsible for dragging our economy down, why doesn’t the guy who did it get the lion’s share of the blame? To read your post, Obama had, what, a year or so before the downturn was no longer “inherited” and after that, any further sluggishness is his own fault.
And although you have never come out and kissed Dubya’s robe, you’re so obviously anti-Obama that I’ve always assumed you’re in the Republican camp. Need we quibble about the degree?
As for the original thread, I agree with you. I didn’t vote for Condon, but I’m certainly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt — I judge a person by his actions, not his words, and so far, at least, Condon is doing what he said he would (i.e., take the $100K paycheck for the first year; if he lets it rise next year, well, he never said he wouldn’t, so I won’t hold it against him). My opinion may change, but for now he’s nothing more than a mayor who’s been in office for barely a month.
Wow, I gotta stop taking so much time between I start writing and when I post…
nslopeofw, re your 7:02 post, please don’t go all slippery slope on me. Every president inherits his predecessor’s economy; the difference lies in the extremity of its performance. Even you can’t deny Dubya left Obama a pretty cr*ppy hand, and Obama could do very little about the biggest drains (unfunded wars/drug benefits, deep revenue cuts) on the federal budget. Although he DID finally put the wars on the budget, which Dubya/Dick never did…
liveinfearoftheSPD:
Your post re Roco Treppiedi is right on the money. Obviously, Mayor Condon, by his appointing City Attorney Delaney et al, has no problem letting these liars, and others who were responsible for covering-up re Otto Zehm murder, to skate. Condon, has had ample time to fire Delaney and certain other officials (more especially Treppiedi) , but by not firing them, it seems to me, he condoned their actions and doesn`t care about the city of Spokane image. Of course, for many years Rocco Treppiedi made the Lilac City look like the scam capitol of the nation anyway. Heck, Forbes magazine has name our city the capitol of Scam several times, the latest, late last year.
johnclarke on February 03 at 12:44 p.m.
So Slope, are you like a comedian like soccermomsusie?
Would that he had a tenth of cleverness of sms.
As I said, it’s not so much the ignorance with somebody like slope, it’s the stuff they are convinced are true, which are demonstrably FALSE.
When they are major items, you know the rest of their blather is just… pulled right out of an orifice. Don’t give me this passion BS, it’s bloviating, period.
Prime example:
we went to war in Iraq after Saddam gave the UN inspectors the finger.
-nslope
NOTHING could be further from the truth.
UN Weapons inspectors went back in at our insistence in the months before the illegal invasion was started. UN Inspectors were on the ground in Iraq, and had the US backing them up to go ANYWHERE they wanted to, and THEY DID.
And the result? NOTHING OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE.
UN Inspectors were doing their jobs in Iraq RIGHT UP UNTIL we told them to evacuate 2-3 days before we started bombing so they wouldn’t get blown up.
If you don’t understand this BASIC FACT about the Iraq invasion? You are utterly and completely ignorant, or, a liar, caught red handed.
In either case, your spew is worthless.
Troll status assigned, for good cause.
greenlibertarian::: saying something is a fact does not make it so. Being a libertarian is your downfall. There’s nothing in your post that’s relatively close to what happened in Iraq and it’s much more complicated than the simplistic understanding, or lack of it, I’ve read on this forum. Some might try to do a timeline of historical facts as they happened to see what was going on in a broader perspective, if you can even get all the facts and ingest them objectively.
That said, there will be no arguments, or debates, won on here. Someone once said, “a little education is a dangerous thing”, meaning that too little created too much arrogance and over simplification. That seems to be the over-riding process here. So much more needs to be known to make any determination about Iraq or Afghanistan and if you believe what the media has given you as the whole bag of facts…..you are fooling yourself.
typical tea-bagger, who learned from the master of all do nothing tea-baggers Cathy Mcmo=mo and their is a reason why we call him Her boy.
I’m keeping my salary at 17k until the minium wage goes up next january at least I’m not a fat cat two face tea-bagger like Mittons the flip flopper Cathy Mcmo-mo and her boy.
Cathy s the riches member of congress from the pinetree state.
Ahhh, now we see why Shade is such a hater. lack of success in ones life can make one bitter. It all comes clear now. Jealousy at what others have gained through hard work vs. just doing the minimum, and getting a pay check, then expecting the same pay as the hard worker.
OK, knowing that makes dealing with the uber-bigot shade a bit easier.
Dear Green-
Here is some reality for you from a non-US news site. Please read and learn.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2167933.stm
Gotcha 56, tone down the anti-Obama rhetoric, that’s what you are saying?
I really dont think much of what direction he is taking our country, and I really do hope he is a 1 termer. I also dont believe he is much of a “leader”, rather i think he is someone who loves power, got in over his head, and now is trying to please everyone and no one at the same time. To those of us who dont worship him, he has done quite a bit that has embarrassed us globally, made us look weak, and bowed down (both figuratively, and literally) to other leaders.
To those who do worship him, he can do no wrong.
$170K is to much for the mayor of a city the size of Spokane. The POTUS only makes $400K - go figure. BTW, Condon will come out OK on this - just like Cathy MoMoRo will - by the political pay backs that will come their way.
nslopeofw said:
“Gotcha 56, tone down the anti-Obama rhetoric, that’s what you are saying?”
No, I’m saying tone down the B.S. As I said earlier, I’ve always found your posts to be reasonable and considered (like your last post here). That’s one of the reasons I rarely respond to them — I either agree with them or follow my rule of thumb of only calling out the most egregious stuff (except for Dazzee, of course; refuting her would be a lifetime occupation). But lately I’m starting to wonder if someone slipped some tea into your beverage. Hence my two-page response.
Obama has disappointed me, too, but I still think he’s better than any Republican currently running. Despite what you may think, I used to be a Republican, but the party has shifted so far beneath my feet that I find myself among the “left.”
As for his impact on America’s “standing” in the world, to me, it’s mixed. Iran certainly believes they can push us around, but I think that attitude has been growing ever since terrorists got away with killing hundreds of Marines in Lebanon under Reagan’s watch, and the 1993 “Black Hawk Down” fiasco (Bush Sr.’s watch). The stalemate in Afghanistan and Iraq certainly haven’t helped. But on the other hand, I would feel safer wearing a T-shirt with an American flag on it in another country today than I would have anytime during Dubya’s reign. Many countries think better of us simply because we have a non-white leader.
And Obama’s war — the one in Libya — was fought and won without a single American casualty. Sorta like Clinton’s war in Bosnia, where the Muslims still love U.S. troops. Bush Sr. certainly did a lot for our standing in the Arab world during the first Gulf War, so it’s not a Dem/Rep thing, either. And don’t forget: Toppling Saddam Hussein took out the major impediment to Iranian hegemony. To me, that’s one of Dubya’s most unforgiveable blunders.
You: “… i think he is someone who … is trying to please everyone and no one at the same time.”
Sounds to me like the definition of a moderate. His “reasonableness” is why the Dems are unhappy with him; the Reps just hate him because he’s not a Republican — even though he has co-opted so many of their ideas (continuing the wars; the “personal responsibility” of buying one’s own health care; the escalated war on marijuana; etc.). In many ways, he’s more conservative than Reagan (check out the list at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/who-is-more-conservative_b_638947.html).
Well, ‘nuff said on this Condon paycheck post, I guess. Type with ya later!